We are no Agriphage (or fireblight) experts, nor have we participated in any studies regarding either -- we are growers just like you who risked some skin on trying something new that there wasn't a lot of info on. I'm happy to report from the field on how it's going for us, but my "field" is in a very different part of the country than yours, with different climate, levels of pressure, and any number of variables. I hope anyone else using Agriphage out there will consider sharing their experiences here, as I have, as it serves to give us all a much more rounded picture of how to deploy bacteriophages against fireblight effectively.
Most of your questions can be most appropriately answered by contacting Certis and speaking to a rep -- it's the job of these guys to be on call for growers with questions like yours, and we spend lots of time talking to them as we try and understand and get to know a product. They know the technical aspects of their products a lot better than we do. I responded to your personal email/voicemail last night with the best answers I can give without calling a rep or scouring the Agriphage label myself, and I will post them here below.
As Todd recently noted in a different thread regarding RHAB control, using big gun packaged products can make you complacent. By the time you've done all the work of product research, product spending, work of application, etc., you don't unreasonably feel like you've done enough work here. We've been humbled this fireblight season, which we are currently at the height of in our orchard, and our thinking about fireblight control seems to evolve as rapidly as the damn bacterium itself. Our hope for this season was that our extensive use of Agriphage thus far would have reduced inoculum to the point that we could expect to see less and less incidence in our orchard going forward. Ha, if it was that easy, everyone would have these delusions of grandeur. We had almost zero blossom blight this year after keeping up with Agriphage sprays as best as we can straddling 175 different bloomtimes (and we also use Blossom Protect in our most prolific bloomers that we noticed in the past tend to be early vectors for fireblight spread, and other practices/spray components may also play a part). We were feeling tentatively cocky. Then about two weeks ago (well past petal fall on all varieties but a couple of late bloomers) we started seeing some very minimal fireblight in the orchard. And from there . . .
Long story short, we were dismayed to see surprising spread in the orchard (still nothing like what we're accustomed to, and nothing particularly devastating) from there these past two weeks. But we were applying Agriphage very intelligently and every season we feel like our understanding of fireblight improves! What could have happened? There's no way that
Erwinia could have developed resistance to the phages that fast. We also spot treat (instead of cutting out strikes) with a little squirt bottle if we just have a strike here and there, and infections were resolving after application in this manner, so product clearly still working.
Using NEWA disease modelling data affiliated with our on-farm weather station, we pinpointed a particular date as the likely infection event for most of what we were seeing. Well, two weeks ago I monkeyed with the calibration on our sprayer in an attempt to solve some residual issues and make for more efficient sprays. I did an Agriphage application to try it out, and it went great -- I used 1/3 less tanks than I had in the past . . . and thus, applied a low-medium rate of Agriphage as opposed to our usual high rate surrounding the biggest infection event of our year so far. I didn't think of going out and applying more, just that that should be sufficient, and given that it was prime infection time, I'd follow up with a higher rate of spray soon.
As stated above, bacteriophages are not highly mobile -- they really need to land on a bacterium to annihilate it. What limited movement they have comes primarily from the replication process, after which more of them are "propelled" to new locations. So it's likely that there was a ton of
Erwinia out there and not enough phages hitting them to take care of them before infection could ensue. We were talking about it afterwards and about how folks with low fireblight incidence in their orchards might be tempted to use low rates of Agriphage in their orchards, especially given the very high cost of the product. Ironically, if you have a relatively low population of
Erwinia, you are even less likely to take care of it by applying a low rate of Agriphage since the phages will be less likely to come into contact with the bacteria. Thus, we plan to do more and more IPM style scouting and more high rate spot treatments to save product until fireblight infection becomes orchard-wide annually.
So the takeway so far for this season is, yeah, don't get complacent -- Agriphage is not a silver bullet and while we may not spend weeks cutting out strikes from sunup to sundown anymore to little positive effect, in our climate we are always going to be spending weeks of our year consumed with fireblight to the detriment of all else in our orchard. The situation changes too rapidly to do otherwise. We were doing an excellent job scouting daily this year and so thrilled to see such little blossom blight, but it takes so little to get out of control, and it does it so quickly. When I spot treat, I am always amazed to see how localized infections over several shoots can be obviously traced back to a single miniscule blossom blight in the vicinity. A couple days ago, we had made an application plan to apply Agriphage immediately again to our only two "bad" infection blocks in the orchard. Woke up to a 40% chance of rain, and disturbing amounts of ooze indicating active infection in other trees throughout the orchard. Full spray it was, and fast. Moral of the story: fireblight sucks and keep up with your legwork, not just your spray apps.
Re: AgriPhage and New England Holistic Apple Orchards
Kordick Family Farm
Hi Sue,
I hope Agriphage works as well for you as it has for us! Fireblight is such a pain, to put it extremely mildly, and while Agriphage is no silver bullet, we are thrilled to have it in our arsenal. We're in the thick of extreme fireblight infection period down here, and I've thought of a few things to add to the HON thread regarding Agriphage, so I'll try and do that soon (basically, use the highest recommended rate whenever possible since the bacteriophages aren't particularly mobile; if low pressure overall, rely on spot treatments at high rates to save product). I would recommend that you call Certis and talk to a rep about any general questions you have. They can tell you much more about it technically than we can, and the more you understand about the product, the easier it will be for you to make decisions about rate, when to spray, etc. in your particular situation.
I honestly don't remember how rainfast Agriphage is supposed to be, but it generally doesn't stick around in the environment long (even if there's a high population of
Erwinia amylovora, the bacteriophages will kill off the bacteria fairly quickly, then die off themselves once the bacteria are depleted, so if you're in a climate or situation where more
Erwinia are moving in regularly or cankers are releasing them locally, you do need to keep applying to replenish populations). That said, circumstances will usually dictate what we do, and the other day we were spraying over the course of a stormy day when a downpour ensued. I kept spraying through it all, knowing that most of what I was doing would be washed off, but being that we had some shoot blight going and my tank was already mixed, it made sense at the time to keep going in hope that some of the bacteriophages stayed in the canopy and did something for us before the rest of the forecast warm rain hit. Most times, it probably wouldn't, but every time is different.
Likewise, I am not aware of any upper temp range for Agriphage application -- good question for a Certis rep. Basically, if
Erwinia amylovora is active, the bacteriophages should be, too. In our minds, 65-85 degrees is prime infection weather, and once it hits 90 degree temps regularly, fireblight slows down and may not warrant protection -- but this is what we believe we can say in our climate -- VT is a whole 'nother ballgame.
The intervals of our sprays depend on too many variables to say definitively -- sometimes a few days, sometimes a few weeks, depending on infection risk, weather, trauma events, infection observation in the orchard, etc. We plan for every 7-14 days, with some sprays occurring weeks apart, and some as few as 3 days apart, thus making for some kind of average. We try to have an extra spray's worth of Agriphage on hand beyond our expected seasonal needs in case of emergency treatment needs.
You can check with a Certis rep, but I'm remembering that the label specifies not to apply Agriphage to runoff.
As far as trunk and limb coverage, this gets into "disease theory." You can use Agriphage on cankers (but timing has to be right -- applying it in winter when
Erwinia bacteria are latent won't do anything; they need to be active in warmer temperatures for them to be vulnerable). If you don't have cankers that you're specifically targeting with a direct spray, I wouldn't go out of my way to get coverage on non leaf/flower tissue . . . but I'm not sure it's not a good thing to hit as much of the tree in general as possible, given that
Erwinia may overwinter in ways that are not commonly understood. Knowing your enemy is key here, and if you're not a fireblight researcher (we're sure not), that can be tough.
In NC, our fireblight pressure tends to abate by mid-June, whether it's to do with
Erwinia life cycle or temps too consistently hot for them to thrive, or hardened-off foliage being less susceptible to infection, all of the above, we don't know. The modelling tells us that we're at extreme risk for months afterwards, but aside from a spot of shoot blight here and there, we really don't see that manifest in the orchard. Of course, if we got a hailstorm in August, that might change things. I'm really not sure how the lifecycle of fireblight would play out in a Northern climate.
We have only tested/tank-mixed with Agriphage the materials we have listed in this thread, but another great question for a rep, or you can see about doing some testing yourself and sharing what you find here.
Best of luck, and I hope you'll share your Agriphage experience in the HON thread as your season unfolds and you get your posting issues sorted out!
Kordick Family FarmWestfield, NC
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